Who Really Saves Whom?

It is totally beyond our control to “be saved”.  . . . . Yes, our race is a fallen race, and praise be to God, He provided that perfect restitution, that perfect reconciliation, that perfect restoration of relationship, IF we will only decide to accept it.

 

The above statements were part of the same comment in another group of forums I sometimes visit, where interesting spiritual questions are posed for discussion. The forum thread where these appeared was about the ‘nature’ of fallen man.

That combination of statements poses an unavoidable question. The first says that is totally beyond our control to be saved. the second says that we ultimately are saved IF, and only IF, we make the right decision.

There is truth in both statements. We have no ability to control our salvation, and we must choose Christ. But doesn’t the IF, mean that we are ultimately in control?

In another forum thread at the same discussion venue, someone commented that God doesn’t actually save anyone, but that we save ourselves by our decision for Christ.

Please understand that this is just a question, regardless of what I might or might not personally believe. I have had to ask the question myself, believe me.

6 responses to “Who Really Saves Whom?

  1. Since I was saved over 30ish years ago, I have never had a clear teaching on this subject till about 2006.

    I mostly went to churches that taught that we need to accept Christ, since God is a gentleman and doesn’t push Himself on anyone. So we have a choice. And He goes along with that choice.

    The funny thing is that that is not at all how I was saved.

    In the early months of my salvation I was very self-conscious of having ‘skipped’ a step.
    That’s how I explained it to myself.
    Since I kept hearing how sinners need to ‘Ask Jesus into their heart”.

    I didn’t do that. Yet I was saved and had the fruit to show it.

    What a relief to have been finally exposed to teaching that laid out God’s Sovereignty, and the dead sinners inability to ‘choose’ or even repent.

    Yes we choose Him, like everyday, to follow Him and walk in obedience according to His will.

    But at the first, He chooses us and regenerates us.
    He is sovereign. We submit.

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  2. What bothers me about the whole “if you would just accept it” thing is that you can’t accept something you don’t believe. You can’t MAKE yourself believe anything to the point that you will perservere in it if you don’t really believe it. At some point, if you don’t believe something, you will act upon that unbelief….and walk away from whatever it was you once “accepted”. People do it all the time.

    You can fool yourself and rationalize that you believe something, even if you don’t…but eventually, the fact that you don’t really believe will override your initial acceptance.

    It really does bother me when people speak of accepting Christ, because the truth is…He accepted me. He opened my eyes. I didn’t do a darn thing.

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  3. Gal 4:8-9
    ‘However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods.
    But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God,…’

    To be known by God.
    We can’t know Him till He chooses to ‘know’ us first.

    ‘we love Him because He first loved us’.

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  4. Evening ladies,

    I am still asking questions where the original blog forum that contained the big IF, like “Where’s the IF in scripture?” I’ve found that when I just ask questions from scripture, resistance isn’t quite as fierce, but still there nonetheless. My only goal is for folks to just read the Book.

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  5. a great goal b4b,

    quote from Kittykit:
    ‘ At some point, if you don’t believe something, you will act upon that unbelief….and walk away from whatever it was you once “accepted”. People do it all the time.

    You can fool yourself and rationalize that you believe something, even if you don’t…but eventually, the fact that you don’t really believe will override your initial acceptance.’
    unquote

    and that is the exact reason why emotionalism is wrong to use to get ‘results’ from a sermon. In the end, some of those who have ‘accepted’ will be revealed to be false converts.
    Matt 13: 18-23
    only one of the hearers ‘understands’ and also bears fruit.
    He is truly saved.

    one of those other hearers receives the ‘seed’ with joy, yet falls away, revealing a false convert, as are those other ‘hearers’.

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